This is a remarkable conversation with a man who has lived history with a 35-year career at CIA, including serving twice as Acting Director. The conversation about what Osama bin Laden would think about the state of the world today, including the state of terrorism, is fascinating and important.
I highly recommend subscribing to Michael's podcast, "Intelligence Matters". Here are a couple of links:
Apple podcasts: Intelligence Matters on Apple Podcasts
Spotify and Stitcher: National security podcast: Intelligence matters, CBS News - CBS News